Session 213

Seth:

The personality of Christ is an idealization and a clue to the entity of which each individual personality is composed, and as far as prayer is concerned, though I realize that neither of you pray in those terms, someone does indeed listen. The self who prays listens and makes necessary adjustments and improvements. For the individual is part of All That Is and, therefore, partakes of the abilities of the psychic gestalts of which we have so sketchily spoken.

Session 560, Seth Speaks – the Eternal Validity of the Soul

Now: Whether or not the Crucifixion occurred physically, it was a psychic event and exists as do all the other events connected with the drama. Many were physical, but some were not. The psychic event affected your world quite as much as the physical one, as is obvious. The whole drama occurred as a result of mankind’s need. It was created as a result of that need, grew out of it, but it did not originate within your system of reality.

Other religions were based upon different dramas, in which ideas were acted out in a way that was comprehensible to various cultures. Unfortunately, the differences between the dramas often led to misunderstandings, and these were used as excuses for wars. These dramas are also privately worked out in the dream state. The God personified figures first were introduced to man in the dream state and the way then prepared.

In visions and inspirations, men knew that the Christ drama would be enacted and hence recognized it for what it was when it occurred physically. Its power and strength then returned to the dream universe. It had increased its vigor and intensity through the physical materialization. In private dreams, men then related to the main figures in the drama, and in the dream state they recognized its true import.

Session 586, Seth Speaks

The inner self alone, at rest, in meditation, can at times glimpse portions of these inner realities that cannot be physically expressed. These values, intuitions, or insights are given each to each according to his understanding, and so the stories told about them will often vary. For example, the main character in a religious historical drama may or may not consciously be aware of the ways in which such information is given to him, and yet it may seem to him that he does know, for the nature of a dogma’s origin will be explained in terms that this main character can understand. The historical Jesus knew who he was, but he also knew that he was one of three personalities composing one entity. To a large extent he shared in the memory of the other two. The third personality, mentioned many times by me, has not in your terms yet appeared, although his existence has been prophesied as the “Second Coming” (Matthew 24). Now these prophecies were given in terms of the current culture at that time, and, therefore, while the stage has been set, the distortions are deplorable, for this Christ will not come at the end of your world as the prophecies have been maintaining.

He will not come to reward the righteous and send evildoers to eternal doom. He will, however, begin a new religious drama. A certain historical continuity will be maintained. As happened once before; however, he will not be generally known for who he is. There will be no glorious proclamation to which the whole world will bow. He will return to straighten out Christianity, which will be in a shambles at the time of his arrival and to set up a new system of thought when the world is sorely in need of one.

By that time, all religions will be in severe crisis. He will undermine religious organizations — not unite them. His message will be that of the individual in relation to All That Is. He will clearly state methods by which each individual can attain a state of intimate contact with his own entity; the entity to some extent being man’s mediator with All That Is.

By 2075, all of this will be already accomplished. You may make a note here that Nostradamus saw the dissolution of the Roman Catholic Church as the end of the world. He could not imagine civilization without it, hence many of his later predictions should be read with this in mind.

The third personality of Christ will indeed be known as a great psychic, for it is he who will teach humanity to use those inner senses that alone make true spirituality possible. Slayers and victims will change roles as reincarnational memories rise to the surface of consciousness. Through the development of these abilities, the sacredness of all life will be intimately recognized and appreciated.

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The third historical personage, already born in your terms, and a portion of the entire Christ personality, took upon himself the role of a zealot. This person had superior energy and power and great organizing abilities, but it was the errors that he made unwittingly that perpetuated some dangerous distortions. The records of that historical period are scattered and contradictory.

The man, historically now, was Paul or Saul. It was given to him to set up a framework, but it was to be a framework of ideas, not of regulations; of men, not of groups. Here he fell down, and he will return as the third personality, just mentioned, in your future. In that respect, however, there are not four personalities.

Now Saul went to great lengths to set himself as a separate identity. His characteristics, for example, were seemingly quite different from those of the historical Christ. He was “converted” in an intense personal experience — a fact that was meant to impress upon him the personal and not organizational aspects. Yet some exploits of his in his earlier life have been attributed to Christ — not as a young man, but earlier.

All personalities have free will and work out their own challenges. The same applied to Saul. The organizational “distortions”, however, were also necessary within the framework of history as events are understood. Saul’s tendencies were known, therefore, at another level. They served a purpose. It is for this reason, however, that he will emerge once again, this time to destroy those distortions.

Now he did not create them on his own and thrust them upon historical reality. He created them in so far as he found himself forced to admit certain facts: In that world at that time, earthly power was needed to hold Christian ideas apart from numberless other theories and religions, to maintain them in the middle of warring factions. It was his job to form a physical framework, and even then he was afraid that the framework would strangle the ideas, but he saw no other way.

(“Why the two names, Paul and Saul?”)

He was called both. When the third personality re-emerges historically, however, he will not be called the old Paul, but will carry within him the characteristics of all the three personalities.

[There is much more in this session, but since it is in Seth Speaks, I will leave it out.]

Session 587, Seth Speaks

The dramas themselves do express certain inner realities, and they serve as surface reminders to those who do not trust direct experience with the inner self. They will take the symbols as reality. When they discover that this is not so, they feel betrayed.

Christ spoke in terms of the father and son because in your terms, at that time, this was the method used — the story He told to explain the relationship between the inner self and the physically alive individual. No new religion really startles anyone, for the drama has already been played subjectively.

What I have said, of course, applies as much to Buddha as it does to Christ: both accepted the inner projections and then tried to physically represent these. They were more, however, than the sum of those projections. This also should be understood.

Mohammedanism fell far short. In this case the projections were of violence predominating. Love and kinship were secondary to what indeed amounted to baptism and communion through violence and blood…

Session 591, Seth Speaks

Symbolically, however, the crucifixion idea itself embodied deep dilemmas and meanings of the human psyche, and so the crucifixion per se became a far greater reality than the actual physical events that occurred at the time. Only the deluded are in danger of, or capable of, such self sacrifice, you see, or find it necessary. Only those still bound up in ideas of crime and punishment would be attracted to that kind of religious drama, and find within it deep echoes of their own subjective feelings.

Christ knew, however, clairvoyantly, that these events in one way or another would occur, and the probable dramas that could result. The man involved could not be swerved from his subjective decision. He would be sacrificed to make the old Jewish prophecies come true, and he could not be dissuaded.

In the Last Supper when Christ said, “This is my body, and this is my blood,” He meant to show that the spirit was within all matter, interconnected, and yet apart — that His own spirit was independent of His body, and also in His own way to hint that He should no longer be identified with His body. For He knew the dead body would not be His own.

This was all misunderstood. Christ then changed His mode of behavior, appearing quite often in out-of-body states to His followers. (See John 20, 21; Matthew 28; Luke 24.) Before, he had not done this to that degree. He tried to tell them, however, that He was not dead, and they chose to take Him symbolically.

His physical presence was no longer necessary, and was even an embarrassment under the circumstances. He simply willed Himself out of it.

ESP Class (1972.12.19)

Do not think that Christmas is too camp. In your civilization, when you allow it to, it speaks to the child in you. Accept the child and enjoy the myth, for behind the myth there is truth, and the truth is that you are reborn, and the truth is that the inner self does have the wonder of a child.

Other stories have been wound about those truths, but the truths remain. The god Pan has as great a validity as Christ has. The names change; the stories change to fit your ideas and your civilization.

Now, I prefer Pan piping his magic flutes over the countryside and drinking wine, to a Christ born to be crucified, but that is my idea; you pick your own.

Behind all the myths is the reality. You are born with the wonder of a child again to remake the world in a new image. Christmas should represent the rebirth of the self.

Seth Speaks should be called You Speak.

Deleted Session (1976.10.19)

The more unsafe the world is felt to be, then the more important protection is and the more threatening, expression. Repression becomes the order of the day.

The species however will always react against repression, no matter what its source, and so will the individual. On the whole the species is beginning to change its psychological sense of selfhood. There are periods in history when this happened before, and a new kind of civilization resulted. The earliest Jewish traditions represent one such change. The beginning period of the Egyptian Civilization another, the birth of Christ another, and the beginning of the scientific age.

“In certain terms, Christ was a myth who did not exist in the terms that you believe. Indeed there was a man called Christ. There were thousands of men called Christ! There were miracle workers all over the place!

There were politics involved—and the Romans and the Jews and the Essenes and a thousand different Jewish groups. That part of the world was seething emotionally. They were searching, and from their desire and from the state of their consciousness, then, emerged the story.

There is a Christ consciousness. That consciousness existed before the story. But it has little to do with the tale. And it did not involve a crucifixion. The Jews wanted a man crucified. Certain members of Jewish political groups wanted to see the idea of a Messiah ended, for all intents and purposes, in those times. Other groups wanted a Messiah to rise from the dead. They wanted a crucifixion and they wanted a martyr—a Jewish martyr.”

“Now, legends are all right, and for a while they serve a purpose. But people grow out of their legends, and if they believe that their legends are Truth, there are psychic growing pains indeed! If they realize that their legends are symbols, then they can move more readily.”

From Seth, ESP Class, Conversations With Seth, Vol. 2, Appendix 6

*****

“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.” – Albert Einstein

“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” ― R. Buckminster Fuller

Always doing the best we can with what we know and learning more to do better!

Always remembering and appreciating how good we are, how much we do, and how will we do it!

What others will not or cannot do for us, we must do for ourselves.

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If you be­come too determined to justify your existence then you will begin to close out areas of your life. Only those areas that mean safe justification to you will have mean­ing, and the others will begin to disappear. You do not have to justify in any terms.

Now if you would each, for ten minutes a day, open yourselves to your own reality there would be no question of self-justification, for you would realize the miraculous nature of your own identity. I have said this before: you are as dead now, and as alive, as you will ever be. In life you can be as dead as you think any corpse is—even, by contrast, far deader.

When I come here to speak I focus my energy, but not toward this room as a destination, for in your terms this room does not exist to me. In your terms, it does not even exist to you. You pretend to agree that it does; we meet in no place of space or time. The true meetings that take place here have nothing to do with the room or the people that you think you are. You know that you hallucinate the room and that you are as much in trance here as you ever are when you’re in psychological time. I simply want you to realize that if this life is a trance, then you can turn the direction of your consciousness to perceive greater realities that presently exist. You can be aware of your own greater identity, even as I am. You sit within the miracle of yourselves and ask for signs. It is your inner eyes I would open.

As you already know, you only accept those suggestions, ideas and hang-ups that suit your pur­poses at this time. You are not, therefore, at the mercy of any neurosis from a past life, nor are there any fears from your present lives that you cannot conquer. I have not said that you will necessarily conquer them, but it is within your ability to do so.

The decision is your own according to your understanding. You cannot be hounded from one level of reality to another by a fear that you do not understand. You cannot be threatened in this life by fears from your early childhood, or by so-called past existences, unless you so thoroughly believe in the nature of fear that you allow yourselves to be conquered by it. Each of your personalities are free to accept and develop, from the miraculous banks of reality, those experiences and emotions that you want, and to reject those you don’t want.

Let me give you a more concrete example that each of you can use in your own way. Suppose the worst, that in this life you have the following background: you are poor, you are of a minority race, you are not intellectual, you are a woman, you have a severe phys­ical defect and you are no beauty. Now you set these challenges for yourself in a so-called past life. This does not mean that you cannot use all of your courage and resolution to solve these problems. You set them in the hope that you will solve them. You did not set them like millstones about your neck, hoping ahead of time that you would drown.

All you have to do is realize your own freedom. You form the reality that you know, not esoterically, not symbolically, and not philosophically. Some great oversoul does not form it for you, either. You have in the past, collectively and in­dividually, blamed a god or a fate for the nature of your personal realities—those aspects that you did not like.

The personality is given the greatest gift of all; you get exactly what you want to get. You create from nothing the experience that is your own. If you do not like your experience, then look within yourself and change it. Realize that you’re responsible for your joys and triumphs, and that the energy to create any of these realities comes from the inner self. What you do with it is up to you.

You are not “programmed.” Nothing happens because it must happen. Every thought that you have now changes reality. Not only reality as you know it, but all reality. No act of yours predisposes a future self to act in a particular manner. There are banks of activity from which we can all draw or choose not to draw.

From Seth Speaks, the Eternal Validity of the Soul, ESP Class Session, Tuesday, February 9, 1971. Channeled by Jane Roberts and recorded by Robert F. Butts. Current copyright holder: Laurel Davies-Butts

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From the book, Seth Speaks – the Eternal Validity of the Soul:

“You will find yourself in another form, an image that will appear physical to you to a large degree, as long as you do not try to manipulate within the physical system with it.”

“For those of you who are lazy I can offer no hope: Death will not bring you an eternal resting place. You may rest, if this is your wish, for a while. Not only must you use your abilities after death, however, but you must face up to yourself for those that you did not use during your previous existence.”

“There are teachers to explain the conditions and circumstances.”

“The after-death environments… are generally far more intense and joyful than the reality you now know.”

“All necessary explanations are given to those who are disoriented. Those who do not realize that they are dead are… told of their true condition, and all efforts are made to refresh the energies and spirits.”

“There are always guides to help you understand your situation…”

From “Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul”, Chapter 9 – The “Death” Experience

On leaving the body:

In many cases, immediately on leaving the body there is, of course, amazement and a recognition of the situation. The body itself may be viewed, for example, and many funerals have a guest of honor amidst the company – and no one gazes into the face of the corpse with as much curiosity and wonder.

For examples of this phenomenon, check out: Do Ghosts Attend Their Funerals – Pete

On the initial condition of arriving in the spirit world:

A belief in hell fires can cause you to hallucinate Hades’ conditions. A belief in a stereotyped heaven can result in a hallucination of heavenly conditions. You always form your own reality according to your ideas and expectations. This is the nature of consciousness in whatever reality it finds itself. Such hallucinations, I assure you, are temporary. […] There are teachers to explain the conditions and circumstances. You are not left alone, therefore, lost in mazes of hallucination. You may or may not realize immediately that you are dead in physical terms.

Christianity has believed in a heaven and a hell, a purgatory, and reckoning; and so, at death, to those who so believe in these symbols, another ceremony is enacted, and the guides take on the guises of those beloved figures of Christian saints and heroes.  Then with this as framework, and in terms that they can understand, such individuals are told the true situation. Mass religious movements have for centuries fulfilled that purpose, in giving man some plan to be followed. It little mattered that later the plan was seen as a child’s primer, a book of instructions complete with colorful tales, for the main purpose was served and there was little disorientation.

On realizing your new non-physical form:

You will find yourself in another form, an image that will appear physical to you to a large degree, as long as you do not try to manipulate within the physical system with it. Then the differences between it and the physical body will become obvious. […] You will simply be learning to operate in a new environment in which different laws apply, and the laws are far less limiting than the physical ones with which you now operate. In other words, you must learn to understand and use new freedoms.

On meeting deceased friends and relatives:

Now, you may or may not be greeted by friends or relatives immediately following death. This is a personal matter, as always. Overall, you may be far more interested in people that you have known in past lives than those close to you in the present one, for example.

Your true feeling toward relatives who are also dead will be known to you and to them. There is no hypocrisy. You do not pretend to love a parent who did little to earn your respect or love. Telepathy operates without distortion in this after-death period, so you must deal with the true relationships that exist between yourself and all relatives and friends who await you.

(At this time), you examine the fabric of the existence you have left, and you learn to understand how your experiences were the result of your own thoughts and emotions and how these affected others. Until this examination is through, you are not yet aware of the larger portions of your own identity. When you realize the significance and meaning of the life you have just left, then you are ready for conscious knowledge of your other existences.

On remembering past lives and choosing a new one:

When you realize the significance and meaning of the life you have just left, then you are ready for conscious knowledge of your other existences. You become aware, then, of an expanded awareness. What you are begins to include what you have been in other lives, and you begin to make plans for your next physical existence, if you decide upon one. You can instead enter another level of reality, and then return to a physical existence if you choose.

On organized assistance in the afterlife:

First of all, it should be obvious from what I have said so far that there is no one after-death reality, but [that] each experience is different. Generally speaking, however, there are dimensions into which these individual experiences will fall. For example, there is an initial stage for those who are still focused strongly in physical reality, and for those who need a period of recuperation and rest. On this level there will be hospitals and rest homes. The patients do not yet realize that there is nothing wrong with them at all. […] It goes without saying that the hospitals and training centers are not physical in your terms. They are often, in fact, maintained en masse by the guides who carry out the necessary plans. Now you may call this mass hallucination if you will. The fact is that to those encountering that reality, the events are quite real.

On Earthbound spirits and Ghosts:

You may after death utterly refuse to believe that you are dead, and continue to focus your emotional energy toward those you have known in life.  If you have been obsessed with a particular project, for example, you may try to complete it. There are always guides to help you understand your situation, but you may be so engrossed that you pay them no heed.  […]

There are obviously as many kinds of ghosts and apparitions as there are people. They are as alert or as unalert to their situation as you are to your own. They are not fully focused in physical reality, however, either in personality or in form, and this is their main distinction. Some apparitions are thought-forms sent by survival personalities out of lingering deep anxiety. They portray the same compulsive-type behavior that can be seen in many instances in your ordinary experience. […] They are in themselves quite harmless. Only your interpretation of their actions can cause difficulties. Now in the middle of life, of life conditions, you also appear on occasion as ghosts in other levels of reality, where your “pseudo-appearance” causes some comment and is the ground for many myths – and you are not even aware of this.

The Soul who compiled this information is unknown….

Seth, from The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events
Session 835, February 7, 1979:

People die when they are ready to die, for reasons that are their own. No person dies without a reason. You are not taught that, however, so people do not recognize their own reasons for dying, and they are not taught to recognize their own reasons for living — because you are told that life itself is an accident in a cosmic game of chance.

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Is Seth the greatest spiritual teacher of our time? I can’t answer for you but he is for me! – Pete

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I do not have a physical body, yet I am writing this book.

You have heard of ghost hunters. I can quite literally be called a ghost writer, though I do not approve of the term “ghost.” It is true that I am usually not seen in physical terms. I do not like the word “spirit,” either; and yet if your definition of that word implies the idea of a personality without a physical body, then I would have to agree that the description fits me.

I address an unseen audience. However, I know that my readers exist, and therefore I shall ask each of them, now, to grant me the same privilege.

I write this book through the auspices of a woman of whom I have become quite fond. To others it seems strange that I address her as “Ruburt,” and “him,” but the fact is that I have known her in other times and places, by other names. She has been both a man and a woman, and the entire identity who has lived these separate lives can be designated by the name of Ruburt.

Names are not important, however. My name is Seth. Names are simply designations, symbols; and yet since you must use them, I shall also. I write this book with the cooperation of Ruburt, who speaks the words for me. In this life Ruburt is called Jane, and her husband, Robert Butts, takes down the words that Jane speaks. I call him Joseph.

My readers may suppose that they are physical creatures, bound within physical bodies, imprisoned within bone, flesh, and skin. If you believe that your existence is dependent upon this corporeal image, then you feel in danger of extinction, for no physical form lasts, and no body, however beautiful in youth, retains the same vigor and enchantment in old age. If you identify with your own youth, or beauty, or intellect, or accomplishments, then there is the constant gnawing knowledge that these attributes can and will vanish.

I am writing this book to assure you that this is not the case. Basically you are no more of a physical being than I am, and I have donned and discarded more bodies than I care to tell. Personalities who do not exist do not write books. I am quite independent of a physical image, and so are you.

Consciousness creates form. It is not the other way around. All personalities are not physical. It is only because you are so busily concerned with daily matters that you do not realize that there is a portion of you who knows that its own powers are far superior to those shown by the ordinary self.

You have each lived other existences, and that knowledge is within you though you are not consciously aware of it. I hope that this book will serve to release the deeply intuitive self within each of my readers, and to bring to the foreground of consciousness whatever particular insights will serve you most.

Session 511, Seth Speaks – The Eternal Validity of the Soul, Copyright © 1972. Channeled by Jane Roberts and recorded by Robert F. Butts. Current copyright holder is Laurel Davies-Butts

What a great introduction to such a complicated subject! In late 1977, we, my wife and I and our two children, Crystal and Evan, lived in San Francisco. Sandra supported us while I served as house husband to our kids. Both children were in early elementary school and even though Sandra and I served on the parent teacher committee and I spent much of my time attempting to understand who we are and what reality is, I felt depressed and frustrated with life in general. At one point I even experienced a panic attack in the Macy’s store at the Stonestown Galleria Shopping Mall, near San Francisco State University.

It happened as we shopped for Christmas gifts in early December, 1977. Suddenly, an overwhelming feeling of hopelessness and inadequacy as a husband and father came over me. At that moment, all I wanted to do was sit on the floor in the middle of Macy’s and cry. Yikes!

Later, for a Christmas present, Sandra bought me “Seth Speaks, the Eternal Validity of the Soul.” We had just enough money for essentials like food and shelter so I told her I didn’t need anything for Christmas. She insisted on buying me something even if it was only a book. At her suggestion, I composed a list of six books I found interesting at the time. The only one I can remember now is Joseph Chilton Pearce’s book,”Crack in the Cosmic Egg.”

Even though she shopped at two of San Francisco’s largest bookstores at that time, Brentano’s and Books Inc., she couldn’t find one of the popular metaphysical books on my list. As she wondered what to get me, her eyes were drawn to the face of Jane Roberts on the cover of “Seth Speaks – The Eternal Validity of the Soul.” She had never heard of Jane Roberts or Seth before but something made her think I would like it.

I didn’t just like it, I loved it! I couldn’t believe how each line of text was filled with so much meaning and understanding. Reading one idea after another that meant so much to me was like having a series of endless mental orgasms. Until I started reading this book, I had felt like a “Stranger in a Strange Land,” to borrow a resonant book title from the author, Robert Heinlein. Suddenly I began to feel hope and excitement again! Life, with all its judgments, demands, and expectations had deadened me. Now it was okay for me to be me.

Pete – https://realtalkworld.com

“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having (creating) a human experience.” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

“How you define yourself and All That Is forms your intent, which, in turn, forms your reality.” – Seth

In other words, we create our experiences from what we believe about ourselves and All That Is.

If we don’t consciously choose our beliefs, we unconsciously absorb them from our surroundings.

If our beliefs, attitudes, values and expectations create our reality, can we afford not to question them?

The more we love, understand and appreciate ourselves, the better we treat ourselves, and the world.

The secrets of the universe lie hidden in the shadows of our experience. Look for them!

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We also suspect – certainly I do – that the purposes themselves will have surprising results, astounding consequences that we have never realized, and that they will merely lead to new avenues. Realizing this helps us keep a sense of humor.

When one has been born and has died many times, expecting extinction with each death, and when this experience is followed by the realization that existence still continues, then a sense of the divine comedy enters in.

We are beginning to learn the creative joy of play. I believe, for example, that all creativity and consciousness is born through playfulness, as opposed to work. It is born in the quickened intuitional spontaneity that I see as a constant through all of my own existences, and in the experiences of those I know.

I communicate with your dimension, for example, not by willing myself to your level of reality, but by imagining myself there. All of my deaths would have been adventures had I realized what I know now. On the one hand you take life too seriously, and on the other, you do not take playful existence seriously enough.

We enjoy a sense of play that is highly spontaneous, and yet I suppose you would call it responsible play. Certainly it is creative play. We play, for example, with the mobility of our consciousness, seeing how “far” one can send it. We are constantly surprised at the products of our own consciousness, of the dimensions of reality through which we can hopscotch. It might seem that we use our consciousness idly in such play, and yet again, the pathways we make continue to exist and can be used by others. We leave messages to any who come by, mental signposts.

We can be highly motivated therefore, and yet use and understand the creative use of play, both as a method of attaining our goals and purposes and as a surprising and creative endeavor in itself.

From SETH SPEAKS – The Eternal Validity Of The Soul: Session 518.

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This personality will refer to the historical Christ, will recognize His relationship with that personality; but within him the three personality groupings will form a new psychic entity, a different psychological gestalt. As this metamorphosis takes place, it will initiate a metamorphosis on a human level also, (emphatically), as man’s inner abilities are accepted and developed.

The results will be a different kind of existence. Many of your problems now result from spiritual ignorance. No man will look down upon an individual from another race when he himself recognizes that his own existence includes such membership also.

No sex will be considered better than the other, or any role in society, when each individual is aware of his own or her own experience at many levels of society and in many roles. An open ended consciousness will feel its connections with all other living beings. The continuity of consciousness will become apparent. As a result of all this the social and governmental structures will change, for they are based upon your current beliefs.

Human personality will reap benefits that now would seem unbelievable. An open ended consciousness will imply far greater freedom. From birth, children will be taught that basic identity is not dependent upon the body, and that time as you know it is an illusion. The child will be aware of many of its past existences, and will be able to identify with the old man or woman that in your terms it will become.

Many of the lessons “that come with age” will then be available to the young, but the old will not lose the spiritual elasticity of their youth. This itself is important. But for some time, future incarnations will still be hidden for practical reasons.

As these changes come about, new areas will be activated in the brain to physically take care of them. Physically then, brain mappings will be possible in which past life memories are evoked. All of these alterations are spiritual changes in which the meaning of religion will escape organizational bounds, become a living part of individual existence, and where psychic frameworks rather than physical ones form the foundations for civilization.

Man’s experience will be so extended that to you the race will seem to have changed into another. This does not mean there will not be problems. It does mean that man will have far greater resources at his command. It also presupposes a richer and far more diverse social framework. Men and women will find themselves relating to their brethren, not only as the people that they are, but as the people that they were.

Family relationships will show perhaps the greatest changes. There will be room for emotional interactions within the family that are now impossible. The conscious mind will be more aware of unconscious material.

I am including this information in this chapter on religion because it is important that you realize that spiritual ignorance is at the basis of so many of your problems, and that indeed your only limitations are spiritual ones.

The metamorphosis mentioned earlier on the part of the third personality, will have such strength and power that it will call out from mankind these same qualities from within itself. The qualities have always been present. They will finally break through the veils of physical perception, extending that perception in new ways.

Now, mankind lacks such a focus. The third personality will represent that focus. There will be, incidentally, no crucifixion in that drama. That personality will indeed be multidimensional, aware of all its incarnations. It will not be oriented in terms of one sex, one color, or one race.

For the first time, therefore, it will break through the earthly concepts of personality, liberating personality. It will have the ability to show these diverse effects as it chooses. There will be many who will be afraid to accept the nature of their own reality, or to be shown the dimensions of true identity.

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Events are not predestined. The framework for this emergence has already been set, however, within your system of probabilities. The emergence of this third personality will directly affect the original historical drama of Christ as it is now known. There is and must be interactions between them.

Seth Speaks, the Eternal Validity of the Soul – Session 586

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At one time—in your terms—I myself acted as such a guide. In a sleep state Ruburt now follows the same road. The situation is rather tricky from the guide’s viewpoint for, psychologically, the utmost discretion must be used. One man’s Moses, as I discovered, may not be another man’s Moses. I have served as a rather creditable Moses on several occasions—and once, though this is hard to believe, to an Arab.

The Arab was a very interesting character, by the way, and to illustrate some of the difficulties involved, I will tell you about him. He hated the Jews, but somehow he was obsessed with the idea that Moses was more powerful than Allah, and for years this was the secret sin upon his conscience. He spent some time in Constantinople at the time of the Crusades. He was captured, and ended up with a group of Turks, all to be executed by the Christians, in this case very horribly so. They forced his mouth open and stuffed it with burning coals, as a starter. He cried to Allah and then in greater desperation to Moses, and as his consciousness left his body, Moses was there.

He believed in Moses more than he did Allah, and I did not know until the last moment which form I was to assume. He was a very likable chap, and under the circumstances I did not mind when he seemed to expect a battle for his soul. Moses and Allah were to fight for him. He could not rid himself of the idea of force, though he had died by force, and nothing could persuade him to accept any kind of peace or contentment, or any rest, until some kind of battle was wrought.

A friend and I, with some others, staged the ceremony, and from opposite clouds in the sky Allah and I shouted out our claims upon his soul—while he, poor man, cowered on the ground between us.* Now, while I tell this story humorously, you must understand that the man’s belief brought it about, and so to set him free, we worked it through.

I called upon Jehovah, but to no avail, because our Arab did not know of Jehovah—only of Moses—and it was in Moses he put his faith. Allah drew a cosmic sword and I set it afire so that he dropped it. It fell to the ground and set the land aflame. Our Arab cried out again. He saw leagues of followers behind Allah, and so leagues of followers appeared behind me. Our friend was convinced that one of the three of us must be destroyed, and he feared mightily that he would be the victim.

Finally the opposing clouds in which we appeared came closer. In my hand I held a tablet that said: “Thou shalt not kill.” Allah held a sword.

As we came closer we exchanged these items, and our followers merged. We came together, forming the image of a sun, and we said: “We are one.”

The two diametrically opposed ideas had to merge or the man would have had no peace, and only when these opposites were united could we begin to explain his situation.

Jane’s trance had been deep, although she recalled parts of Seth’s adventure. She said she had a series of images which paralleled the material, yet she couldn’t describe them now.

(The Crusades consisted of a series of military expeditions sent out by the Christian powers in the eleventh, twelfth, and thirteenth centuries, to recover the Holy Land from the Moslems. While Seth was giving the data, Jane said, she wondered what an Arab would be doing in Turkish Constantinople in those days. I explained the geography of the region. Presumably, such a traveler could have reached Constantinople [now Istanbul], by an overland journey across Turkey, which lay north of the Arab lands, or by sailing the eastern Mediterranean around Turkey, through the Dardanelles and so into the city. Distances in the Middle East are comparatively short.

(Jane literally has no sense of geography or of distance, that have unwittingly worked to her advantage in sessions. On the other hand, she has an unerring sense of direction in local surroundings, and can indicate the points of the compass far better than I can. – Rob)

Now: To be such a guide requires great discipline and training.

Before the event just mentioned, for example, I had spent many lifetimes acting as a guide under the tutorship of another in my daily sleep states.

Session 536, Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul Copyright © Jane Roberts and Robert F. Butts. Current copyright holder – Laurel Davies-Butts

This story reminds me of so many dreams I’ve had where I knew others were trying to help me understand myself and the nature of being and creation. In some dreams I actually looked for the guides who were helping me. Even though they often appeared in different guises to suit the situation, I could identify them if I wanted to.

As I read Seth’s story, I was struck by the similarity between his drama and the drama I kept experiencing annually for more than thirty years in My Recurring Superman Nightmare. Like Seth and his friend who played the roles of Moses and Allah for the sake of the Arab gentleman in the process of dying, I often wondered, who was playing the role of the Priest and the Frankenstein Monster in my recurring nightmare? After editing this story  several times, I began to wonder if the entities in my nightmare were friends in disguise. Who else but the dearest of friends would spend so much time reliving the same drama year after year so one soul can learn the importance of facing challenges and learning lessons?

Eventually, I acknowledged the patience of the actors in this nightmare and thanked them for their love and participation. Just saying this makes me appreciate the magic and wonder of All That Is.

Life in any form truly is a gift because it gives us the opportunity to become more of who and what we are. – Pete

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“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having (creating) a human experience.” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

“How you define yourself and the world around you, forms your intent, which, in turn, forms your reality.” – Seth

In other words, we create reality from what we think and feel about ourselves and All That Is.

If we don’t consciously choose our beliefs, we unconsciously absorb them from our surroundings.

If our beliefs, attitudes, values and expectations create reality, can we afford not to question them?

What others will not or cannot do for us, we must do for ourselves.

The secrets of the universe lie hidden in the shadows of our experience. Look for them!

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“If you have been obsessed with a particular project, for example, you may try to complete it. There are always guides to help you understand your situation, but you may be so engrossed that you pay them no heed.

“Now: I will cover the subject of ghosts separately, rather than in this chapter. Suffice it to say that large fields of emotional focus toward physical reality can hold you back from further development.

“When consciousness leaves the body and is away for some time then the connection is, of course, broken. In out of body states the connection still holds. Now it is possible for an individual who has died to completely misinterpret the experience and attempt to reenter the corpse. This can happen when the personality identified himself almost exclusively with the physical image.

“It is not common. But nevertheless, under various circumstances, such individuals will attempt to reactivate the physical mechanism, becoming more panic-stricken when they discover the body’s condition. Some, for example, have wept over the corpse long after the mourners have left, not realizing that they themselves are completely whole—where, for example, the body may have been ill or the organs beyond repair.

“They are like a dog worrying a bone. Those who have not identified their consciousness with the body completely, find it much easier to leave it. Those who have hated the body find, strangely enough, that immediately after death they are quite drawn to it.

“All of these circumstances then may or may not occur according to the individual involved. However, after leaving the physical body, you will immediately find yourself in another. This is the same kind of form in which you travel in out of body projections, and again let me remind my readers that each of them leaves the body for some time each night during sleep.

“This form will seem physical. It will not be seen by those still in the physical body however, generally speaking. It can do anything that you do now in your dreams. Therefore it flies, goes through solid objects, and is moved directly by your will, taking you, say, from one location to another as you may think of these locations.

“If you wonder what Aunt Sally is doing in, say, Poughkeepsie, New York, then you will find yourself there. However, you cannot, as a rule, manipulate physical objects. You cannot pick up a lamp or throw a dish. This body is yours instantly, but it is not the only form that you will have. For that matter, this image is not a new one. It is inter-wound with your physical body now, but you do not perceive it. Following death, it will be the only body you are aware of for some time.

“Much later and on many levels you will finally learn to take many forms, as you choose, consciously. In one manner of speaking you do this now, you see, translating your psychological experience—your thoughts and emotions—quite literally but unconsciously into physical objects. You may find that when you imagine yourself as a child—after death —that you suddenly have the form of the child that you were. For a certain period of time, therefore, you can manipulate this form so that it takes any appearance that it had when it was connected with your physical form in the immediately previous physical life. You may die at eighty and after death think of the youth and vitality that you had at twenty, and find then that your form changes to correspond with this inner image.

“Most individuals after death choose a more mature image that usually corresponds to the peak physical abilities, regardless of the age when the physical peak was reached. Others choose instead to take the form they had at the particular point when the greatest mental or emotional heights were achieved, regardless of the beauty or age that characterized the form. Do you follow me?

(“Yes.” – Robert Butts – as he records Seth’s words, spoken through Jane.)

“You will feel comfortable with the form that you choose, therefore, and you will usually use it when you want to communicate with others you have known; though for such communications with the living, you may instead adopt the form you had when you were known to the individual you want to contact.”

Seth Speaks – the Eternal Validity of the Soul, Session 537

Copyright © Jane Roberts and Robert F. Butts. Current copyright holder – Laurel Davies-Butts

Seth on Life After Death – Part 1

Seth on Life After Death – Part 3

For some idea of what Seth describes as bodily changes in dreams, read: The Ball of Light – A Lucid Dream About the Nature of Being and Creation. In this dream, I changed the density of my body several times until I became pure consciousness or Energetic Awareness (self-aware, vibrating energy). It was necessary for me to do this in order to follow the unseen intent of my unfolding thoughts and emotions. It is as natural as breathing and something I’ve done many times in other dreams.

Many recently passed individuals contact people they’ve known, their spouses and children especially, to let them know all is well with them and not to worry. For examples of After Death Communication, Google: “After death contact”. This query brings up many links to studies and accounts of after death experiences. For an example here, read: Do Ghosts Attend their own Funerals

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“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having (creating) a human experience.” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

“How you define yourself and the world around you, forms your intent, which, in turn, forms your reality.” – Seth

In other words, we create our reality from what we think and feel about ourselves and All That Is.

If we don’t consciously choose our beliefs, we unconsciously absorb them from our surroundings.

If our beliefs, attitudes, values and expectations create reality, can we afford not to question them?

What others will not or cannot do for us, we must do for ourselves.

The secrets of the universe lie hidden in the shadows of our experience. Look for them!

For more world-changing ideas, visit The LifeSong Store!

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There is an order of personalities, an honorary guard, so to speak, who are ever ready to lend assistance and aid, however.

Now this honorary guard is made up of people in your terms both living and dead. Those who are living in your system of reality perform these activities in an “out of body” experience while the physical body sleeps. They are familiar with the projection of consciousness, with the sensations involved, and they help orient those who will not be returning to the physical body.

These people are particularly helpful because they are still involved with physical reality, and have a more immediate understanding of the feelings and emotions involved at your end. Such persons may or may not have a memory of their nightly activities. Experiences with projection of consciousness and knowledge of the mobility of consciousness, are therefore very helpful as preparations for death.

You can experience the after death environment beforehand, so to speak, and learn the conditions that will be encountered.

This is not, incidentally, necessarily any kind of somber endeavor, nor are the after death environments somber at all.

To the contrary, they are generally far more intense and joyful than the reality you now know.

You will simply be learning to operate in a new environment in which different laws apply, and the laws are far less limiting than the physical ones with which you now operate.

In other words, you must learn to understand and use new freedoms.

Session 535, Seth Speaks, the Eternal Validity of the Soul, Copyright © 1972 by Jane Roberts and Robert F. Butts. Current copyright holder -Laurel Davies-Butts

Seth on Life After Death – Part 2

Seth on Life After Death – Part 3

“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having (creating) a human experience.” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

“How you define yourself and the world around you, forms your intent, which, in turn, forms your reality.” – Seth

In other words, we create our reality from what we believe about ourselves, and the world around us.

If we do not consciously choose our beliefs, we unconsciously absorb them from our surroundings.

If our beliefs, attitudes, values and expectations create our reality, can we afford not to question them?

The more we love, understand and appreciate ourselves, the better we treat ourselves, and the world.

Blessings of love and understanding be to us all!

The secrets of the universe lie hidden in the shadows of your experience. Look for them!

For more world-changing ideas, visit The LIfeSong Store!

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“At this point many variations in behavior emerge, each the result of individual background, knowledge, and habit. The surroundings in which the dead find themselves will often vary. Vivid hallucinations may form experience quite as real as any in mortal life. Now, I have told you that thoughts and emotions form physical reality, and they form after death experience. This does not mean that the experiences are not valid, any more than it means that physical life is not valid.

“Certain images have been used to symbolize such a transition from one existence to another, and many of these are extremely valuable in that they provide a framework with understandable references.

“The crossing of the River Styx is such a one. The dying expected certain procedures to occur in a more or less orderly fashion. The maps were known beforehand. At death, the consciousness hallucinated the river vividly. Relatives and friends already dead entered into the ritual, which was a profound ceremony also on their parts. The river was as real as any that you know, as treacherous to a traveler alone without proper knowledge. Guides were always at the river to help such travelers across.

“It does not do to say that such a river is illusion. The symbol is reality, you see. The way was planned. Now, that particular map is no longer generally in use.

“The living do not know how to read it. Christianity has believed in a heaven and a hell, a purgatory, and reckoning, and so, at death, to those who so believe in these symbols, another ceremony is enacted, and the guides take on the guises of those beloved figures of Christian saints and heroes.

“Then with this as framework, and in terms that they can understand, such individuals are told the true situation. Mass religious movements have for centuries fulfilled that purpose, in giving man some plan to be followed. It little mattered that later the plan was seen as a child’s primer, a book of instructions complete with colorful tales, for the main purpose was served and there was little disorientation.

“In periods where no such mass ideas are held, there is more disorientation, and when life after death is completely denied, the problem is somewhat magnified. Many, of course, are overjoyed to find themselves still conscious.”

Session 536, Seth Speaks – the Eternal Validity of the Soul

Copyright © 1972 by Jane Roberts and Robert F. Butts. Current copyright holder – Laurel Davies-Butts

Seth on Life After Death – Part 1

Seth on Life After Death – Part 3

In the late 1970s, we lived at Freedom West, a large housing cooperative in San Francisco. While there, I met an elderly Filipino man who was absolutely delightful. He always had a smile on his face and a kind word for everyone. When he died, my sense of loss was great and I attended his funeral for one last goodbye.

As his family and friends shared their fondest memories of him, I couldn’t help but think about how wonderful he was and how much I would miss him. Sensing his presence in the middle of my thoughts, I looked up at the casket and saw him sitting on it with his right leg crossed over the left one while bracing himself with both hands. He looked at me with the most loving smile I’ve ever seen, and hidden within it, was the thought, “if you only knew what life is like on this side of reality, you wouldn’t be so sad.”

Needless to say, I walked home with thankfulness in my heart for having attended his funeral and experiencing what turned out to be a magical moment.

Pete – https://realtalkworld.com/

“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having (creating) a human experience.” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

“How you define yourself and the world around you, forms your intent, which, in turn, forms your reality.” – Seth

In other words, we create reality from what we choose to think and feel about ourselves and All That Is.

If we don’t consciously choose our beliefs, we unconsciously absorb them from our surroundings.

If our beliefs, attitudes, values and expectations create reality, can we afford not to question them?

The more we love and understand ourselves, the better we treat ourselves and the world.

Bless us all with love and understanding!

The secrets of the universe lie hidden in the shadows of our experience. Look for them!

For more world-changing ideas, visit The LifeSong Store!

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