“You do not survive through cooperation, according to that theory, and nature is not given a kind or creative intent, but a murderous one. And if you see yourselves as the end result of such a species, then how can you expect goodness or merit or creativity from yourselves, or from others? How can you believe that you live in a safe universe when each species exists because it survives through claw, if it must hunt and kill out of murderous intent, as implied in the theories of evolution,  and of reality itself?

“So when you think of your beliefs and who you are, you must also think of your species, and how you are told your species came to be. For your private beliefs are also based upon those theories, and the (cultural) beliefs …of your times.

“It is seldom that you really question your biological origins, what they mean, and how you interpret them. Are you physically composed of murderous cells, then, each spontaneously out to get the others? If so, your physical being is more miraculous a product than even I have ever told you! If your cells did not cooperate so well, you would not be listening to this voice, and it would make no sound. As you listen to me, the cooperative, creative adventure within your bodies continues, and in terms of continuity reaches back prehistorically and into the future. Because conscious­ness creates form with joy, there is no murder that you have not projected out of misunderstanding and ignorance of the nature of that consciousness.

“Roots do not struggle to exist. One species does not fight against the others to live. Instead creativity emerges, and coopera­tively the environment of the world is known and planned by all the species. What appears to be struggle and death to you at those levels (of being and creation) is not, …for the experience of consciousness itself is different there, as is the experience of your own cellular composition.

“Your body knows how to walk. The knowledge is built in and acted upon. The body knows how to heal itself, how to use its nourishment, how to replace its tissues—yet in your terms the body itself has no access to the kind of information the mind possesses. Being so ignorant, how does it perform so well?”

“If it were scientifically inclined, the body would know that such spontaneous performance was impossible, for science cannot explain the reality of life itself in its present form, much less its origins. Consciousness within the body knows that its existence is within the body’s context, and apart from it at the same time.

“There is a design and a designer, but they are so combined, the one within the other, the one within and the one without, that it is impossible to separate them. The creator is within its creations, and the creations themselves are gifted with creativity. The world comes to know itself, to discover itself, for the planner left room for divine surprise, and the plan was nowhere foreordained. Nor is there anywhere within it anything that corresponds to your “survival of the fittest” theories.”

Appendix 12 (for Session 705), The Unknown Reality, Vol. 2 Copyright © 1979 by Jane Roberts and Robert F. Butts. Republished with the kind permission of the current copyright holder, Laurel Davies Butts.

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“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having (creating) a human experience.” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

“How you define yourself and the world around you, forms your intent, which, in turn, forms your reality.” – Seth

In other words, we create reality from what we think and feel about ourselves and All That Is.

If we don’t consciously choose our beliefs, we unconsciously absorb them from our surroundings.

If our beliefs, attitudes, values and expectations create our reality, can we afford not to question them?

What others will no or cannot do for us, we must do for ourselves.

The secrets of the universe lie hidden in the shadows of your experience. Look for them!

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You cannot plunder it, for example – something you are only beginning to learn. Opening up your consciousness to previously denied messages would bring you in direct contact with other life-forms on your planet in a way that you have formerly denied yourselves. Your cellular knowledge of past and future probabilities alone would teach you a spiritual and corporal courtesy.

The “unknown” reality sustains you and the web of life as you understand it. Your conscious concepts must enlarge so that the conscious self can understand its true nature. As you think of it, consciousness is barely – barely – half developed. It has learned to identify with one small group of neurologically accepted responses.

Portions of the brain not used lie latent, waiting for the recognition that will trigger them into activity.

When this happens, the mind will become aware of the rich bed of probabilities upon which the ego now rides so blindly. The great latent-but-always-sensed dimensions of spiritualized creaturehood will then begin to flower.

A few great men have glimpsed these abilities, and their love of the race and their integrity caused them to trigger unused portions of the brain. In their way they sensed the great probable future and its ramifications.

In centuries past they saw your present, though through their own vision, and so it was only partially the present as you know it. Your emotional reality truly leaps into its own only now and then, for your very concepts of yourselves deny the multidimensional aspects of your being. The need and the yearning to love and to know are both biologically present within you. They are present within the animals, and within a blade of grass.

The concepts of God that you have, have gone hand-in-hand with the development of your consciousness. The ego, emerging, needed to feel its dominance and control, and so it imagined a dominant god apart from nature. Often nations acted as group egos – each with its own god-picturing, its own concepts of power. Whenever a tribe or a group or a nation decided to embark upon a war, it always used the concept of its god to lead it on.

The god concept then was an aid, and an important one, to man’s emerging ego. To develop its sense of specialization, the ego forgot the great cooperative venture of the earth. If a hunter literally knows his relationship with an animal, he cannot kill it. On deeper levels both animal and man understand the connections. Biologically the man knows he has come from the earth. Some of his cells have been the cells of animals, and the animal knows he will look out through a man’s eyes.

The earth venture is cooperative. The slain beast is tomorrow’s hunter. In terms of ego consciousness, however, there were stages of growth; and the god concepts that spoke of Oneness with nature were not those that served the ego’s purposes in the line of development as you understand it.

For a while such techniques worked. Always, however, there was the undeniable inner self in the background: man’s dreams, his biological and spiritual integrity, and these in one way or another were always before him.

In your probability you did allow the inner self some freedom. Therefore, the so-called egotistical consciousness was not given complete sway. It remained flexible enough so that even hidden in its god concepts there were symbols of greater reality. Your system, again, deals with physical manipulation and the translation of creativity into physical form.

An exterior separation had to occur for awhile, in which consciousness forgot, egotistically speaking, that it was a part of nature, and pretended to be apart.

It was known, however – and unconsciously written in the cells and mind and heart – that this procedure would only go so far. When man’s consciousness was sure of itself it would not need to be so narrowly focused.

Then the true flowering of humanity’s consciousness could begin. Then the ego could expand and become aware of realities it had “earlier” ignored.

You have put yourselves in a position where your consciousness must now become aware of the probable pasts and probable futures, in order to form for yourselves a sane, fulfilling, and creative present.

Ego consciousness must now be familiarized with its roots, or it will turn into something else. You are in a position where your private experience of yourself does not correlate with what you are told by your societies, churches, sciences, archaeologies, or other disciplines. Man’s “unconscious” knowledge is becoming more and more consciously apparent.

This will be done under and with the direction of an enlightened and expanding egotistical awareness, that can organize the hereto neglected knowledge – or it will be done at the expense of the reasoning intellect, leading to a rebirth of superstition, chaos, and the unnecessary war between reason and intuitive knowledge.

When mankind’s emerging unconscious knowledge is denied by his institutions, then it will rise up despite those institutions, and annihilate them. Cult after cult will emerge, each unrestrained by the use of reason, because reason will have denied the existence of rampant unconscious knowledge, disorganized and feeling only its own ancient force.

If this happens, all kinds of old and new religious denominations will war, and all kinds of ideologies surface. This need not take place, for the conscious mind – basically, now – having learned to focus in physical terms, is meant to expand, to accept unconscious intuitions and knowledge, and to organize these deeply creative principles into cultural patterns.

The great emotion of love has been thus far poorly used, yet it represents even the biological impetus of your being. Your religions in a large measure have taught you to hate yourselves and physical existence. They have told you to love God, but rarely taught you to experience the gods in yourselves.

In one way or another religions have always followed, again, the development of your consciousness, and so they have served its purposes and yours; and they have always reflected, though distorted, those greater inner realities of your being. In historic terms, as you understand them, the “progression” of religion gives you a perfect picture of the development of human consciousness, the differentiation of peoples and nations, and the growth of the ideas of the “individual.”

There is nothing wrong with the concept of an egotistically based individual being. I am not suggesting that your individuality is something to be lost, thrown aside, or superseded. Nor am I saying that it should be buried, submerged, or dissolved in a superself. I am not suggesting that its edges be blurred by a powerful unconscious.

I am saying that the individual self must become consciously aware of far more reality; that it must allow its recognition of identity to expand so that it includes previously unconscious knowledge.

To do this you must understand, again, that man must move beyond the concepts of one god, one self, one body, one world, as these ideas are currently understood. You are now poised, in your terms, upon a threshold from which the race can go many ways. There are species of consciousness. Your species is in a time of change.

There are potentials within the body’s mechanisms, in your terms, not as yet used. Developed, they can immeasurably enrich the race, and bring it to levels of spiritual, psychic and physical fulfillment. If some changes are not made, the race as such will not endure.

This does not mean that you will not endure, or that in another probability the race will not – but that in your terms of historical sequence, the race will not endure.

Session 687, The Unknown Reality, Vol. 1 © Copyright 1977 by Jane Roberts and Robert F. Butts. Current copyright holder – Laurel Davies-Butts.

Dreams, imagination, telepathy, out-of-body and near death experiences are only possible through the use and development of our Inner Senses. Acknowledging and using our Inner Senses is important to any expansion of human awareness.

The Inner Senses Here, Seth describes what the Inner Senses are and how they work.

Ask Value Questions and Listen for Intuitive Answers This process describes the nature and possibility of communicating inwardly with deeper levels of consciousness. We are not alone and what we see and hear with our biological senses is not “…all there is”, to quote the singer, Patti Page.

Inside Ivy – is a great example of “inner” interspecies communication.

Shape Shifting on LSD This experience seems to support the idea of cellular memory.

The “Suck Face” Incident – demonstrates how we can use our inner and outer senses together to maximize our ability to understand and solve complex psychological challenges that threaten to destabilize our sense of well-being.

My Encounter With the Energy of Unconditional Love – describes telepathy and the nature of unconditional love. Without  the involvement of my Inner Senses, how could this experience have been possible?

Out of Body, I Watch Grandpa Die – a great out-of-body (OBE) experience from a woman I worked with. It took me a couple of years to get her to write it.

Anita Moorjani’s Extraordinary Near Death Experience – Anita’s near death experience has been published in a book called, Dying to Be Me.

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“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having (creating) a human experience.” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

What we think and feel about ourselves and All That Is forms our intent, which in turn, forms our reality.

In other words, we create reality from what we believe about ourselves and All That Is.

If we don’t CONSCIOUSLY choose our beliefs, we unconsciously absorb them from our surroundings.

If our beliefs, attitudes, values and expectations create reality, can we afford not to question them?

What others will not or cannot do for us, we must do for  ourselves.

The secrets of the universe lie hidden in the shadows of our experience. Look for them!

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“Existence is wise and COMPASSIONATE, so in certain terms, consciousness, knowing itself as man, sent future extensions of itself out into the time scheme that man would know and lovingly planted signposts for itself to follow “later”.

“Man is himself made as much of God-stuff as earth-stuff, SO IN THOSE TERMS NOW the god in himself yearned toward the man in the god and earth experience. Not understanding yourselves, you have tried to put the idea of God outside of yourselves and your living framework. Through various exercises in this book, I hope to acquaint each of you with the inherent oneness of the inside and outside realities, to give you a glimpse of your own infinite nature even within the bounds of your creaturehood – to help you see the god-stuff in the man-stuff. In other terms, this can help you see the potentials of your species and break down the barriers of limiting thoughts. I would like to change your ideas of human nature. To some extent this will entail HUMANIZING your idea of divinity. But oddly enough, if that is done you will end up seeing the divinity in man.

“Ideals that before seemed beyond the reach of individuals or of the species will change their character and become working models that can be used effectively and joyfully.”

Session 696, The Unknown Reality, Vol. 1

Copyright © 1977 by Jane Roberts and Robert F. Butts. Current copyright holder – Laurel Davies-Butts.

Pete – https://realtalkworld.com

“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having (creating) a human experience.” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

“How you define yourself and the world around you, forms your intent, which, in turn, forms your reality.” – Seth

In other words, we create reality from what we think and feel about ourselves and All That Is.

If we don’t consciously choose our beliefs, we unconsciously absorb them from our surroundings.

If our beliefs, attitudes, values and expectations create reality, can we afford not to question them?

What others will not or cannot do for us, we must do for ourselves.

The secrets of the universe lie hidden in the shadows of our experience. Look for them!

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* Here’s an interesting example of potential ambiguity in writing, which makes the sharing of ideas challenging sometimes. When Christ says: “You are all children of God—the ‘sinner’ as well as the saint.” Is he referring to us as being sinners or saints, one or the other, or is he referring to us as being both sinners and saints at the same time? I think Christ meant that we’re all sinners and saints at the same time, to one degree or another. How did you interpret his meaning the first time you read this sentence?

The Christ entity knew the vitality, power, and strength of myths. That vitality allows for different readings, of course, and through man’s changing development he reads his myths differently, yet they serve as containers for intuitional knowledge.

Christ’s thesis was inserted into a Jewish tradition dealing deeply with guilt, and the new thesis was meant to temper that tradition, and to spread beyond it. Instead, while carrying the belief in man’s potential, Christianity smothered the thesis beneath a slag heap of old guilt.

Guilt can be used to manipulate people, of course, and it is a fine tool in the hands of government, religion, science, or any large organization that wants to retain its power.

Christ dealt with myths, once again-potent ones that stood for inner realities. Christ clothed those realities in colorful stories geared to people’s understanding. I am using the name here, Christ, as one person for the sake of discussion, for that entity touched many lives, each leaping into a kind of super-reality as it joyfully played its part in the religious drama.

The message was “Do not condemn yourself or others,” for Christ well knew that self-righteous condemnation of the self or of one’s neighbors served to darken the door through which man might view his own potential and its greater source.

The Christian concept of heaven with its riches, God and his bounty, the source of nature itself – all of this in our terms was a symbolic structure describing in storybook terms the attributes and characteristics of Framework 2 (described below – Pete).

In our terms, All That Is exists in Framework 2 as elsewhere, but Framework 2 represents the source of known physical reality. From it flow all of the known facts of your world. Christ hoped to show that you survived death psychically and spiritually – that you returned to the father in heaven.

Literal minds, looking for evidential proof, would insist that the physical body itself must rise, ascending, hence the related stories (and) the misinterpretation of data.

“Ask, and you shall receive.” Christ well knew that that statement was indeed true, but men who condemned themselves, who considered themselves sinners, would not know what to ask for, except punishment to relieve their guilt. Hence he stressed time and time again that each person was a child of God.

He also stressed the importance of a childlike belief, knowing that the adult mind was apt to question “How, and when, and in what manner can my request be granted?”

The words “Let thy will be done,” represented excellent psychological understanding, for according to Christ’s teachings as originally given, God the father represented the source or parent of the self, who was by nature free from the self’s ignorance or lack of understanding at any given time, and who would know better than the known self those experiences that would fulfill the self’s hopes, dreams, and potentials.

In this way, with the words spoken “Let thy will be done,” the self could free itself from its own misconceptions, and attract from Framework 2 benefits that it might otherwise not be knowledgeable enough to request.

A portion of each person dwells in Framework 1 and Framework 2. Understand that Framework 2 is a psychic or spiritual or mental structure. In deepest terms, of course, it is not a place. It is, if you prefer, a spiritual landscape of far greater resources than the one you know. It brings forth the world of your experience in that world, and so it is your source also. “Let thy will be done” meant “Let me follow those greater dictates of my inner nature.” Even with all of the distortions, that formula worked for centuries in large measure. The God, the source, was put outside of nature, however, finally becoming at last too remote, and the story itself became frayed at the edges as man tried to tie intuitive truths to objective fact.

To be a child of God was to trust in your own worth. You could admit failings, transgressions of one kind or another without identifying yourself, say, with failure. The child of God would automatically find salvation, and everyone was a child of God.

When Christ said “Believe in me, and you will be saved,” he meant “Believe in your relationship to God, in that you are his son, as I am, and you will surely be saved.” Again, he spoke in religious terms, for those were the terms of the times.

This knowledge, however, of the innate goodness of the self literally gives the individual the inner support necessary for the exercise of man’s fullest potentials. In civil and governmental terms, such a policy could not be tolerated nor has man yet learned how to deal with that basic principal. It is almost automatic, for example, to label a man a murderer, and identify him with his crime. The society never came to terms with the vast implications inherent in Christ’s teachings, and so it abandoned them.

Man’s great exuberant spontaneity has never been allowed its full sweep as a result.

You (Jane Roberts and Robert Butts) both chafed against the belief of your times, that man was a natural aggressor, tainted from birth, that he was damned by his very nature, condemned by his early childhood background, by original sin, or by his genes. At the same time, you were also tainted by those beliefs, and seemed to see evidence for them whenever you looked into your selves, or outward to the world of your fellows.

Each person carried the brunt of that self-condemnation. Ruburt (Jane’s larger male identity) is hardly outstanding in having physical difficulties, and overall your lives and the work speak for more of the potential of personality than of personality’s lacks. You set for yourselves a goal of shoving aside all of the beliefs and distortions for yourselves and for others.

You went beyond your family’s beliefs individually, searching for yourselves and trying various roads. You accomplished the quite difficult feat, in certain terms, of finding each other, so that you each had a mate who would aid you in your pursuits—and you tried as best you knew to encourage each other. You were still plagued by remnants of self-disapproval and self-condemnation, however, yet the spontaneous self in each of you managed to push here and there and blaze forth whenever you gave it a chance, with some quite outstanding results.

I always have to couch my material for you personally, just ahead of where you are at any given time. Overall, however, the main thrust of the material of course has always been way ahead of where you are, practically speaking, at any given time.

In terms of your lives, you are able to use certain portions of the material at different times. No one could put it all into working order at once in a given life. Ruburt [Jane] then used and enjoyed his spontaneity, and has been developing it along the lines of his understanding. It is not, as it may seem, that he had something of spontaneity and lost it.

Spontaneity knows its own order, and freely comes into order. Years ago, before the psychic experience, he was not for example psychically spontaneous to any great degree. He used his writing to hold back and yet contain his innate psychic knowledge. He disapproved of his own dancing, sometimes even of his sexual yearnings. Now those disapprovals simply piled up, with resulting physical difficulties. He would through the years begin to approve of spontaneity in one more area – spontaneity in class [Jane’s Seth class], for example – or with Sumari poetry, or in finally approving his own psychic writings. The disapproval was still present, however; yet now and then through the years would come a period of release, of sudden ease and sudden physical improvement—each time when he suspended self-disapproval, and when for your reasons, you began to suspend your own.

The situation and the faith that you managed to build up in Framework 2 have come to your aid.

The “ommm” exercises and the rune exercises are showing results because some of the material has come through again to you from the sessions, and you are jointly suspending your self-disapproval. In religious terms, you would realize you were saved, or a child of God. You have stopped to a degree identifying yourselves with any limitations. When this happens you actually symbolically say “Let thy will be done,” meaning “Let my greater nature, my spontaneous nature, flow through me without impediment, and without quibbling.”

Then the benefits from Framework 2 can begin to flow without impediment. The body can right itself, and the methods that you use, work. Do you want to rest your hand? [As Seth speaks through Jane, Rob records the sessions by hand. – Pete]

(No, I’m okay.)

Ruburt’s eyes are definitely improving these last few days, as the strain is being relieved from the rest of the body – the neck area particularly, the jaws and muscles of the brow. Nearly all eye difficulties are related to other stresses in the body.

(I should have asked Seth what he meant by “nearly”.)

Ruburt is quite correct: his vision has fluctuated through the years, and in periods of mental ease, understanding, and physical improvements, his vision also improves. You both became extremely depressed, thinking in time terms and concentrating upon past failures with which you identified. The notes Ruburt wrote yesterday are extremely important, with their emphasis upon my old the spontaneous self is the guardian, and added to that, from which your very life springs.

You can will your spontaneity to express itself, even as you can will it not to. Tell Ruburt that if he continues in this manner, and if the two of you can manage to maintain your peace of mind long enough—over a two or three day period, for example, then you can expect rewards in all areas. The inner keys have been turned once again.”

(Seth’s material here on the use of the will came about, I think, as a result of some older material I gave Jane to read this afternoon. It concerned the amazing powers of her will, and is from Session 713,  The “Unknown” Reality Volume 2. This happens to be the session in that book that I’m working on now. I recommend that it be kept in mind and referred to every so often, for it certainly contains many clues to individual capacities. – Robert Butts)

Now, I bid you a fond and encouraging good evening.

(May I ask a question?)

You may.

(This is off the subject, but your material about Christ reminded me of a letter we received from a young woman not long ago. She wanted to know what really happened to Christ, if he wasn’t crucified)

Give us a moment…

That question in the larger context is very difficult to answer. (Eyes closed) There were several men who, together, performed the exploits reported in the Christ story—exploits occurring only roughly in the 33-year period given (for Christ’s life).

A man was crucified, but he was not one who made up the Christ entity. You understand from stories that have come to you the elaborations and half-truths that people can be convinced are true. None of the men who made up that entity were crucified. They each died—one I believe in India.

People do not understand that their dreams become reality, and that the greater dramas of history and myth often bear little resemblance to the actual occurrences, but are greater than the physical events.

End of session.

(With loud good humor) You will get bits and tidbits on that now and then.

(Okay, thank you, Seth)

(See Chapter 21 of Seth Speaks for more on the Christ entity. According to history, Christ was crucified, and the other two members of Seth’s Christ entity, John the Baptist and St. Paul, were beheaded. Seth hasn’t mentioned India before in connection with any of the three, so that information is new. It would be interesting to get more data on the whole Christ question. As I told Jane after the session, Seth’s Christ material tonight reminded me of the idea of the Christ book, which Seth mentioned in Personal Reality. – Robert Butts)

From Deleted Session, January 9, 1978 by Jane Roberts and Robert F. Butts.

Republished with permission from current Seth Material copyright holder, Laurel Davies-Butts.

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No objective science or splendid technology alone will keep even one man or woman alive, for example, if that individual has decided to leave the flesh, or finds no joy in daily life.

A loving technology, again, would always add to the qualitative and spiritual deepening of experience.

The inner order of existence and true science go together. The true scientist is not afraid of identifying with the reality he chooses to study. He knows that only then can he dare to begin to understand its nature.

There are many unofficial scientists, true ones in that regard, unknown in this age. Many are quite ordinary people in exterior terms, with other professions. Yet it is no accident that greater discoveries are often made by ”amateurs” – those who are relatively free from official dogmas, released from the pressure to get ahead in a given field – those whose creativity flows freely and naturally in those areas of their natural interest.

Without an identification with the land, the planet and the seasons, all of your technology will not help you understand the earth, or even use it effectively, much less fully. Without an identification with the race as a whole, no technology can save the race.

Unless man also identifies himself with the other kinds of life with which he shares the world, no technology will ever help him understand his experience. I am speaking in very practical terms. Gadgets will, ultimately, teach you nothing about the dimensions of your own consciousness. When you use them (biofeedback, for instance) even to attain alterations of consciousness, you are programming yourselves, stepping apart from yourselves.

Session 702, from the Seth book, The Unknown Reality, Vol. I.

© Copyright 1977 by Jane Roberts and Robert F. Butts. Republished with permission from current copyright holder, Laurel Davies-Butts.

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